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משנה: בֵּיצָה שֶׁנּוֹלְדָה בְּיוֹם טוֹב בֵּית שַׁמַּאי אוֹמְרִים תֵּיאָכֵל. וּבֵית הִלֵּל אוֹמְרִים לֹא תֵּיאָכֵל.MISHNAH: An egg was laid on a holiday. The House of Shammay say that it may be eaten 12:16), but this is restricted to foodstuffs which were available before the start of the holiday. The House of Shammai hold that an entire chicken is food since slaughter for food is permitted on the holiday, and since everybody agrees that an egg found inside a slaughtered chicken on a holiday is permitted food, there is no reason to consider a laid egg as something different., but the House of Hillel say that it may not be eaten and may not be moved..

הלכה: בֵּיצָה שֶׁנּוֹלְדָה בְּיוֹם טוֹב כול׳. מַה טַעֲמוֹן דְּבֵית שַׁמַּי. מוּכֶנֶת הִיא עַל גַּב אִמָּהּ. מַה טַעֲמוֹן דְּבֵית הִלֵּל. נַעֲשִׂית כְּמוּקְצֵה שֶׁיָּבַשׁ וְלֹא יָדַע בּוֹ. אִילּוּ מוּקְצֶה שֶׁיָּבַשׁ וְלֹא יָדַע בּוֹ שֶׁמָּא אֵינוֹ אָסוּר. וְהָא תַנֵּי. הַשּׁוֹחֵט אֶת הַתַּרְנְגוֹלֶת וּמָצָא בְתוֹכָהּ בֵּצִים אַף עַל פִּי גְמוּרוֹת הֲרֵי אֵילּוּ מוּתָּרוֹת. רִבִּי חֲנַנְיָה וְרִבִּי מָנָא. חַד אָמַר. לֹא דוֹמֶה טַעַם אֲכִילָתָהּ מִבְּפְנִים לְטַעַם אֲכִילָתָהּ מִבַּחוּץ. וְחוֹרָנָה אָמַר. שֶׁאֵינָהּ נִגְמֶרֶת לָאֶפְרוֹחַ עַד שֶׁתֵּצֵא לַחוּץ. מָה הֵן בָּחָלָב. נֹאמַר. אִם הָיוּ מְעוּרוֹת לַגִּידִים אֲסוּרוֹת. וְאִם לָאו מוּתָּרוֹת.HALAKHAH: “An egg was laid on a holiday,” etc. What is the reason of the House of Shammai? It is prepared in its mother’s body, pp. 154–172, noted G and G, 302–303 (G).. What is the reason of the House of Hillel? It is like muqṣeh which dried without him realizing it is the technical term for anything which is not available to be moved on the holiday or Sabbath, the original meaning is “cut-up”, viz., a heap of cut-up figs lying on the flat roof to ferment and to be made into fig cakes. During the fermentation process the mass is inedible; therefore it has become the paradigm of anything not currently available for use. Here the original meaning is intended. If the owner had inspected his roof on the eve of the holiday he would have realized that the figs were ready food for the holiday and therefore falling under the category of “prepared food” permitted on Sabbath and holiday. But since at sundown of the holiday he had no knowledge of the situation, the figs were not available to him at the start of the holiday and therefore remain forbidden for the rest of the holiday. Similarly, since the owner of the chicken does not know that the egg (which is completely formed with its hard shell) will be laid on the holiday, since it was not available at the start it cannot become available later., and is muqṣeh which dried without him realizing it not forbidden? But was it not stated, “if one slaughters a chicken and found eggs inside it, even if they are complete they are permitted”? Rebbi Ḥananiah and Rebbi Mana. One said, its taste when eaten from its inside is not comparable to its taste when eaten from the outside. But the other said, it is not completed for a chick until it comes outside. What are they with milk? Let us say, if they are connected to blood vessels they are forbidden, otherwise permitted.

הַכֹּל מוֹדִין בְּבֵיצָה שֶׁיָּצָא רוּבָּהּ מֵעֶרֶב יוֹם טוֹב שֶׁהִיא נֶאֱכֶלֶת בְּיוֹם טוֹב. מַה פְלִיגִין. בְּשֶׁיָּצָא מִיעוּטָהּ. בֵּית שַׁמַּי אוֹמְרִים תֵּיאָכֵל. וּבֵית הִלֵּל אוֹמְרִים לֹא תֵּיאָכֵל. כְּשֵׁם שֶׁהִיא אֲסוּרָה לֶאֱכֹל כָּךְ הִיא אֲסוּרָה לְטַלְטֵל. נִתְעָ‍רְבָה אַחַת בְּמֵאָה אוֹ אַחַת בְּאֶלֶף כּוּלָּן אֲסוּרוֹת. מַה. כְּמָאן דְּאָמַר. סָפֵק הָכֵן אָסוּר. בְּרַם כְּמָאן דְּאָמַר. סָפֵק הָכֵן מוּתָּר. מוֹדֶה הוּא הָכָא שֶׁהוּא אָסוּר. נְשָׁרִין סָפֵק מֵהַיּוֹם נָ‍שְׁרוּ סָפֵק מֵאֶתְמוֹל נָ‍שְׁרוּ. בְּרַם הָכָא יֵשׁ כָּאן אַחַת לֵאֱסוֹר וְהִיא מוֹכַחַת עַל כּוּלָּן.“Everybody agrees that an egg of which a major part was laid before the start of the holiday may be eaten on the holiday 8a) this holds true even if the egg in the meantime had again disappeared into the body of the chicken.”. Where do they disagree? If a minor part came out, where the House of Shammai say that it may be eaten, but the House of Hillel say that it may not be eaten. “ 43a. On the holiday (and Sabbath) one may move only things which may be used on the day (except if one needs the place occupied by an unusable implement, when one may clear the place.) Since the egg is neither food nor a usable implement, it cannot be moved. Just as it is forbidden as food so it is forbidden to be moved. If one was mixed with a hundred or a thousand, they are all forbidden”. How? Following him who said, if the preparation is in doubt it is forbidden; but him who said, if the preparation is in doubt it is permitted, here he agrees that it is forbidden. For wind-fall there is a doubt where it fell today or fell yesterday, but here one is forbidden and it is proof for all of them 16:23) the wind-fall is forbidden, but if the requirement is rabbinic and traditional, the wind-fall is permitted cf. Babli 24a. There is nothing clearly forbidden and the rule spelled out at the end of the preceding note cannot be applied. But if an egg was laid on the holiday, for the House of Hillel it certainly is forbidden and therefore the rule which forbids the mixture for the day can be applied..

אֲחֵרִים אוֹמְרים מִשֵּׁם רִבִּי לִעֶזֶר. תֵּיאָכֵל הִיא וְאִמָּהּ. [מָהוּ תֵּאָכֵל הִיא וְאִמָּהּ.] אָם הָ‍יתָה אִמָּהּ מוּכֶנֶת לִשְׁחִיטָה תְהֵא מוּתֶּרֶת. וְאִם לָאו אֲסוּרָה. וְאֵין כָּל הַתַּרְנוֹגְלִים מוּכָנִין לִשְׁחִיטָה. אָמַר רִבִּי בָּא. תֵּיאָכֵל בְּהָכֵינָהּ שֶׁלְאִמָּהּ.Others say in the name of Rebbi Eliezer: It may be eaten together with its mother. [What means, “it may be eaten together with its mother”?] If its mother was prepared for slaughter. But are not all chickens prepared for slaughter? Rebbi Abba said, it may be eaten based on its mother’s preparation.

עֵגֶל שֶׁנּוֹלַד בְּיוֹם טוֹב מוּתָּר. שֶׁהוּא מַתִּיר עַצְמוֹ לַשְּׁחִיטָה. רִבִּי זְעוּרָה בָעֵי. מְעַתָּה מִדְבָּרִית תְּהֵא מוּתֶּרֶת. שֶׁהִיא מַתֶּרֶת עַצְמָהּ בַּשְּׁחִיטָה. צְבִיָיה תְּהֵא מוּתֶּרֶת. שֶׁהִיא מַתֶּרֶת עַצְמָהּ בַּשְּׁחִיטָה. חָזַר רִבִּי זְעוּרָה וְאָמַר. עֵגֶל מֵאֶתְמוֹל הוּא גוֹמֵר. בְּרַם הָכָא. בּוֹ ביּוֹם נִגְמְרָה בוֹ בַיּוֹם נוֹלְדָה. אָמַר רִבִּי בָּא. אַתְיָיא כְמָאן דְּאָמַר. הַבְּהֵמָה יוֹלֶדֶת לַחֳדָשִׁים מְקוּטְעִין. בְּרַם כְּמָאן דְּאָמַר. בְּהֵמָה יוֹלֶדֶת לַחֳדָשִׁים מְסוּיָימִין. הַגַּע עַצְמָךְ שֶׁסִּיֵים אֵימָתַי עָלָה עָלֶיהָ זָכָר. גּוֹזָל שֶׁנּוֹלָד בְּיוֹם טוֹב מוּתָּר. שֶׁהוּא מַתִּיר עַצְמוֹ בַשְּׁחִיטָה. לֹא כֵן תַּנֵּי. בֵּיצִים שֶׁרִיקִימוּ. גּוֹזָלִים שֶׁלֹּא הֶעֱלוּ עֲלֵיהֶן כְּנָפַיִם אֲסוּרִין מִשּׁוּם שֶׁקֶץ. וְאֵין לוֹקִים עֲלֵיהֶן מִשּׁוּם נְבֵילָה. וְאָמַר רִבִּי חַגַּי. וִאֲפִילוּ שְׁחָטָן. אָמַר רִבִּי אָבוּן. תִּיפְתָּר בְּאִילִּין דְּנָפְקִין וְכַנְפֵיהוֹן עֲלֵיהוֹן.A calf born on a holiday is permitted since it permits itself by slaughter. Rebbi Ze`ira asked, in that case an animal kept outside should be permitted since it permits itself by slaughter, deer should be permitted since it permits itself by slaughter. Rebbi Ze`ira came back and said, a calf is fully formed the day before, but here it was born on the day it was fully formed. Rebbi Abba said, this follows him who said that an animal gives birth after split months; but what is for him who said, an animal gives birth after a fixed number of months 21a, a disagreement whether cattle gives birth after a full 9 months or not. If the number of days of gestation is not fixed, the owner of the pregnant animal cannot have the intention to use the unborn calf as food on the holiday since he could not know the prospective date of birth.? Think of it, that he knew when a male had mounted it. A pigeon chick born on a holiday is permitted since it permits itself by slaughter; did we not state, an egg which had started to develop, and chicks which do not yet have wings are forbidden as abomination, but one does not whip because of carcass meat? And Rebbi Ḥaggai said, even if he slaughtered them. Rebbi Abun said, explain it about those born with wings.

Jerusalem Talmud Beitzah.1.1